Under No Illusion

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  How Much of the WT Teaching Did You Believe?

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
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  some people on this forum have said that they never really believed any aspect of wt teaching, that they couldn't wait to get free of it all.. others seems to have been really gung ho, believing it all until something happened that got you questioning "the truth.".

  i would say my own high water mark was about 50%, which put me squarely on the fence, trying to decide if i should be in or out.. how about you?.

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  0%, as I do for all religions, let alone more 'cultish' ones such as JW.

  My motive going in was never about the doctrine.
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  2019 Service Year Report Grand Total

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower is thrilled with the amount baptised in the 2019 service year.

  they are reporting an increase in publishers of 103,208 from the 2018 year.. this is what they have posted under global news on their website -.

  2019 service year report includes largest baptismal figure in 20 yearswe are thrilled to announce that during the 2019 service year, more than 300,000 individuals were baptized as jehovah’s witnesses.

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  Under No Illusion

  Blessed are the accountants.

  All quite creative I would say, The publisher increase would be adding the existing with the new. But what of existing JWs who just stop and are not df'ed. No way they know or admit that number,
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  ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES VIDEO

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atlantis posted: 2019--16 leaked videos!.

  here is my review after watching the ''roles and responsibilities video''.

  the video begins with ''congregation members willingly contribute their money to ''jehovah'' to advance kingdom interests.''.

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  So, Jehovah's on welfare now?

  Can't be that powerful if he needs the kids to crack their piggy banks for him.
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  No Need To Preach In Every Country Anymore

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  speaking to a pimo from my hometown yesterday.

  he told me that in the watchtower study (10 nov 2019) regarding “the great tribulation” the elder on the platform said that there’s no need for jws to preach in every country in order to fulfil the prophecy, and therefore the org has already fulfilled that prophecy.

  and that there’s nothing else left to wait for now but for “the great tribulation” to come.. gasps of delight came from the audience.. has anyone else heard this?

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  So, everyone left for their respective bunkers to wait?

  Another hall sold!
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  JW.org's new miserable picture

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the new article about the international convention in manila, the picture of the crowd is pretty telling.

  they look so drained and miserable!.

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  Under No Illusion

  It's actually at a modern indoor venue, so lack of AC isn't the problem.
  

  Really? The TV screens must be on the ceiling.

  Nothing about it looks comfortable.
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  JW.org's new miserable picture

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the new article about the international convention in manila, the picture of the crowd is pretty telling.

  they look so drained and miserable!.

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  not sure a snapshot tells the story
  

  You have a point, and I did think about not making judgement based on 3 moments in time.

  But I'm equally sure that the mood and expression of these people didn't change much throughout the day.

  Outdoors on most likely a warm and humid Manila day. Seemingly endless talks and videos. I'd wanna be somewhere else as well, not that they would admit that.
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  JW.org's new miserable picture

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the new article about the international convention in manila, the picture of the crowd is pretty telling.

  they look so drained and miserable!.

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  Under No Illusion

  The Faux Cowboy is absolutely checking the football scores.

  I know that look.
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  Merging kingdom halls in the Netherlands / local media attention

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in a local newspaper attention for the merging and sell of a kingdom hall in a dutch village.. the funds are being used for building in other country's.

  (: (: (: .

  https://zuid.zenderstreeknieuws.nl/nieuws/algemeen/788011/ijsselsteinse-jehova-s-getuigen-samen-met-nieuwegein-.

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  It can be paralleled to the Army moving recruiting centres around.

  Overall, it's declining. But they are shutting down stores where recruits have dried up, and setting up shop where there is a fresh, naive market for their one true religion.
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  Can nonreligious people go to service?

  by Thisdude in

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  i have no idea if im doing this right.

  i'm an atheist but i'm curious about the religion.

  theres a service(?

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  Every meeting I went to had at least one non religious person there - me.

  How will you 'act' is the right terminology to use, because you will need to hide your disbelief. What you see and hear will be a mixture of the surreal and fantastical.

  Get your reasons ready for being there. 'Research' will probably arouse some suspicion, even if they are not obvious about it. And I wouldn't mention any higher education you have.

  Watch Tower day will be best for just 'blending in'. Midweek will very much feel like you're in a classroom and that more eyes are on you.

  Be prepared to sing, or pretend to. Someone will share their tablet with the lyrics with you. The tune is immaterial and usually indiscernible.

  Turn your phone down or off, unless you want a ready made excuse to dart out the door.

  Get your reasons ready not to have a bible study with someone, unless you want to of course.

  Clear a big space at home - near your recycling bin is best - for the literature you will be given.

  The urge to run will come. if it doesn't. return here for regular deprogramming.

  It's possible to fake it for a long time. I could still be there if I wanted to. They want new recruits. You won't get thrown out, even if they suspect you're not fully in. It's just a matter of how long you can keep up your story and motivation.

  Despite the initially-interesting strangeness of the 'JW life' to an outsider, it is, at its heart, very mundane and monotonous.
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  JW.org's new miserable picture

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the new article about the international convention in manila, the picture of the crowd is pretty telling.

  they look so drained and miserable!.

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  Robotic singing of truly awful songs can be very draining.

  Love the look of the girl giving the camera daggers in the first pic.

  "Yep, I really wanna be here at the - what's this convention called again?"